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one mind is a natural progression of 12

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previous books and they they've all

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played around the edges of the one man

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concept but the one mind is an idea that

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really is quite actual and I know it

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sounds fairly modern but really it goes

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back a long way and the thing that's new

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about it is its endorsement by people

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that you wouldn't think would go in that

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direction such as Nobel Prize winning

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physicist and experimentalist in

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medicine and so on so there's a lot of

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evidence that we have is that it's

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contemporary which the ancients did not

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have even though the basic idea is the

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same you're you one thing that jumped

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out at me is you you're playing around

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with the Golden Rule and that serious

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stuff to me because my father raised us

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very strictly on the Golden Rule do unto

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others as you would have them do unto

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you but you say that perhaps it should

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be written rewritten be kind to others

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because in some sense they are you is

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that an important gene rule because the

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Golden Rule seems so darn good well I

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think it's great that starting point and

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it's a great ethical and moral

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commandment in my judgment but I think

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it can be expanded based on recent

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findings that we are connected I I think

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that the golden rule assumes that

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there's differences there separations

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and boundaries that keep us apart as

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human beings and I think that's the

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source of a great deal of mischief in

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the world this idea that we're tribal

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that it's me against you I think that

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sets the stage for greed and

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possessiveness which we could circumvent

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if we had the courage to follow

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experiments and people's experiences

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which show that we are connected I don't

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think that this is an argue

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point anymore although skeptics think

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that this is hopelessly spiritual

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because there is just an incredible body

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of evidence that suggests this era

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thoughts are connected with the thoughts

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of other people and a since we couldn't

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even separate ourselves if we wanted to

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and we tried and God knows we have tried

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I think that this idea of boundaries and

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separation sets the stage for some of

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the stuff that we we talked on earlier

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about political differences divisions

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that are hopelessly ingrained in human

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behavior and ethics and morals and

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religions I think we could

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leapfrog a lot of those things and come

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out ahead we were able to do so yes

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staying on the political side a little

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bit if you look at the the founders of

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our country I know how much you studied

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that I was a Poli Sci major in college

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but you know they were recognizing the

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nature of man which is to be somewhat

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selfish and for people in power to to

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want power and thirst for more power and

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so they put all these guards and

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protections up in our government the

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checks and balances etcetera and in

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smaller government and so on because

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they recognized the limitations of man

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and it seems to me on the other side you

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have people who have a little bit more

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of a utopian view that believe that no

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we don't need a guardian side man is

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good we're all one and this and that and

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we don't need to protect against that so

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talk to me a little bit about your

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thoughts about our political structure

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in light of your thinking of we're all

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well I'm sensitive to the argument that

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people are scared of this idea of one

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line because it sounds as if you buy

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into that you're going to lose your

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sense of individuality

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you'll just be homogenized in some

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formless mass of consciousness and you

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can't tell yourself from anybody else I

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think that what we're looking at here is

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what Niels Bohr called a case of

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complementarity we are individuals we

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have an ego we have a sense of

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personhood

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I'm not against any of that but I think

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a coin has two sides and I think the

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flip side of individuality is unity

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and the things that are associated with

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it such as empathy and compassion and

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understanding I think it's possible to

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air too much on one side of the other I

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think we need both notions of who we are

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as human beings otherwise we get into

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hopeless competition and antagonisms

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which I think we've seen played out in

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the 20th century in spades and I think

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that the way of avoiding that is to go

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beyond that and to look at the other

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side of the coin the other side of the

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coin is that there are no boundaries

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between consciousness we can insert

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information into the world and acquired

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from the world and in a sense this no

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boundary idea this one mind is a

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safeguard against the excessive

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competition war greed possessiveness

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that seems to be failing us in a major

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way on the planet in these days right

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but to get all to embrace this is a

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pretty lofty goal and we seem a long way

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from that I mean you know some would say

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the closest you get to it as some of the

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religions where they talk about you know

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us all being together and and in God

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being within us and so on but the

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religions are all fighting each other so

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yeah in the groups that seem to want to

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embrace something along these lines they

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all want to fight among themselves well

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that's one reason I think we want to

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extend and push the notion of the golden

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rule which has been embraced by a lot of

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religions there's a form of it in every

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major religion and it just hasn't

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captured people's imagination as it

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should I think in a sense the major

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religions have failed us one of the

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points that I try to bring forth in this

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book of one mind is that this is beyond

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religion the endorsers of the idea of a

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unitary collective consciousness or for

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goodness sakes Nobel prize-winning

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disciplines

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and you know in a since I think they've

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out spiritualize the religions if you

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look at the comments of Nobel Prize

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prize in 1933 and physics and the

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opinions of max planck who for goodness

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sakes established quantum physics if you

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look at Karl unions ideas the collective

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unconscious the ideas of Ralph Waldo

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Emerson who believes in the over so you

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begin to get a picture if there's

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something beyond this idea of doing unto

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the others as you would have them do

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unto you that honors that but goes

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beyond it and I think it's this going

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beyond the idea of individuality that

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we're challenged with now I I think that

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this is a pernicious idea to dwell

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ceaselessly and endlessly on this idea

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of individuality I think that we have

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taken this idea in American culture that

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you have to lift yourself up by your own

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bootstraps

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it's almost American heresy to think

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that you know somebody is going to do it

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approach to the honor and who we are

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honoring individuality to a certain

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extent but not hesitating to go the next

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step where we say that there really

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ultimately no boundaries between human

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consciousness okay so let's make sure

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that people understand when you talk

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about one mind just describe for us what

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you mean by that

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and then also since you are an MD and a

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scientist you know what is the

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scientific evidence of it well the basic

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idea of the one line is that beyond the

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individual expressions of consciousness

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such as our individual thoughts and

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attitudes emotions and that sort of

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thing there's a substrate underneath

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this that makes individual awareness

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possible and that's what the

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rarely referred to as consciousness

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individuality individual mind is based

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and so that's the picture that I I think

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is going to win the day not only because

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people throughout history have

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experienced this sort of unity

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consciousness in terms of be Tiffany's

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religious experiences you near-death

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experiences and so on and because of

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actual experience so there's a two-prong

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reason to advance this notion of the one

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mind one is experience is that people

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have always had that there is such a

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unitary composite that involves all of

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us but we can supplement that now with

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something that people have not really

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not had before and that's where

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experiments come in as far as my

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experience as a doctor I began to take

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note about 30 years ago of actual

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experiments where people could actually

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with their thoughts and attitudes

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emotions and prayers and positive

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thoughts affect biological activities

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and not just other people but in

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nonhumans such as the replication rates

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of bacteria and test-tubes the growth

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laboratories and now these actually

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to heal actual cancers you didn't

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animals such as mice all available these

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are some of the most compelling evidence

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shows that consciousness is not confined

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to your brain it has the ability to

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insert information out there into the

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world and make a medically important

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difference could you describe for me

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what you consider to be the most

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impressive study to date that earns us

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yes I can listeners might want to look

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at the book the energy cure it's written

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by dr. bill

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instant who has replicated these

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experiments about 16 times now and

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academic centers in the United States

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what he does is to transplant mammary

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cancer breast cancer and women into test

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animals these are a certain strain of

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mice and then he has taught people to

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use a consciousness based technique of

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healing these mice now this is where

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this begins to make people's brows

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wrinkle in their eyes roll they don't

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understand how this could possibly be

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true

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neither does Ben stuff this is what

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experimental evidence is so important

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decom if you don't do anything to these

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mice with your breast cancer that has

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been transplanted into them within 30

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days they're all dead it's a terrible

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thing to do to animals to transplant

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this cancer into them however yet these

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has trained to do this technique applied

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in these mice Iran 90% of them get well

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now what are the students doing they're

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intending healing for these mice

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thinking positive healing thoughts right

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that's exactly right there is a specific

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technique which bingston has devised

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which to the newcomer who thinks that

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none of this is possible I would simply

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say look at the results of the

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experiments I think they're in arguable

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and I'm happy in a sense that this can't

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be Grox I mean there's no real way to

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understand how your thoughts make a

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biological difference in a rat that

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would otherwise die of cancer all I can

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say is here are the experiments you know

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you can take them are legion leave them

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and I think skepticism is a wonderful

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tool to apply to trying to understand

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these outcomes these are supplemented by

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dozens of other experiments in other

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forms of life such as I've mentioned

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growth rates of bacteria and test-tubes

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growth rates of tundra and laboratory

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discs and so on well let's stick with

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the mice or rats first I can what

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assuming this is correct that this is

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proving to have an impact what would be

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the scientific explanation as to what's

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going on well I think in order to make

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sense of this you have to assume that

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consciousness is not confined to

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people's minds and this is where I think

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the great stumbling block is you the

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materialistic notion that we've all been

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raised with from high school to college

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to postgraduate levels is that

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consciousness it's produced by the brain

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it's confined to the brain it can't

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escape the cranium and make a difference

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in the world these studies show that

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that is simply not true it is a belief

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system that I think is simply untenable

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with respect to these studies now could

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you a favor could you make sure your mic

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hasn't moved at all suddenly the volume

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is lower okay I can leave there we go

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yeah maybe that's what happened thank

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you okay sorry because it's so you know

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in dressing well I think it would be the

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scientific explanation if we know maybe

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we don't have a scientific explanation

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yet for it but what would be the

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scientific explanation for how someone

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thinking positive thoughts about cancer

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in a mouse could cure that cancer well I

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think that the explanation that is going

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to carry the day eventually is that

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consciousness is not confined to the

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brain it is what researchers are

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beginning to call a non-local phenomenon

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non-local is just simply a fancy word

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for infinite consciousness apparently

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has no boundaries to it you can't keep

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it locked up inside the brain the

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cranium it has a way of acting in the

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world the mice experiments that bingston

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has been doing are supplemented by a

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host of other studies in different life

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forms I'm not talking about just one

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experimental model here

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there have been books have been written

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for laypeople to introduce people to

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this idea there's non-local actions of

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consciousness dean reagan's books could

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be conscious universe entangled minds

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are two that had become quite popular

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and bestsellers my book healing words

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was written to introduce people to this

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idea in 1993 it sort of broke the ice on

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these experiments and since those days

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these experiments have multiplied

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tremendously but I mean science has been

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trying to cure cancer for you know

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decades with you know it's starting to

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have some success but certainly it's

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been very slow and very expensive but

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you're suggesting that cancer can be

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healed as easily as simply thinking

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about positive use sending up positive

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thoughts well I want to be careful these

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are but these are studies and animals

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these studies have not been replicated

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in people so this is a starting point I

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mean this breaks the ice in many areas

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of Medicine we take a sequential

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approach to human studies for example

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bacteria are subjected to the possible

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effects of antibiotics we we do early

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Studies on animals and then we up the

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ante to finally do studies in human

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being so I think that's where we are

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right now we know there is a thing in

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fact it's consciousness mediated

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distance it's not a factor

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and these these studies have powerful

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outcomes so the next step I think is to

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try to replicate these studies than

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people now there have been studies using

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positive empathic compassionate

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attitudes and intentions in people in

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coronary care units and that sort of

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thing so we do have studies in people

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but not in the mammary cancer model that

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I've been describing to you that things

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to has used but I that's the next deal

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so if we are all of one mind what does

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that tell us about who we are what we

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are

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what this is what this is all about yeah

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well I think that's where the game

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really gets interesting

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you know my my profession has prepared

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me to really put the emphasis on

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practicality I mean what can you do with

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this stuff you know and we look toward

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healing and better methods of curing

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people but I think that's some of the

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starting point the word I think we we

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wind up with this is a new way of

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looking at our destiny and this is the

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ultimate idea I try to express in my

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book online if there are no boundaries

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in space and time for consciousness

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which I think the evidence compels us to

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entertain then we begin to raise

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questions about well so so what what if

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the mind is infinite in time what what

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if there are no boundaries in time for

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consciousness what if consciousness is

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infinite in time this leads us directly

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to the consideration of immortality for

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some aspect of who we are an immortal

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mind is an infinite mind in time it is a

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bounded in time but it is restricted to

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the present moment and so I think that

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necessarily spiritual considerations

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flow from this evidence pointing toward

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non-local consciousness I don't believe

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that we can restrict considerations of

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non-local infinite mind just to medicine

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and health and healing I think it

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escapes those attempts at restriction

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and this is where I think it yep it's

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very fascinating I happen to believe

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from my experience as a physician that

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the fear of death and annihilation has

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probably caused more suffering in the

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history of the human race than all the

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physical diseases combined because

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because people have a fear of death and

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annihilation they and they therefore do

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what try to denied in various ways

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Ernest Becker a Pulitzer prize-winning

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book in the 70s called the denial of

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death which summarized the ways that

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people sort of ignore the obvious which

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is that so far everybody dies the the

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evidence is pretty compelling nobody

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gets out of here alive and so this idea

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of nonlocality in time says that there's

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another option there's an aspect of

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consciousness that couldn't I've had

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tried now I think we have a beginning a

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beginning way of coming to look at this

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in a projective form for example 15

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million of Americans now have had what

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they call near-death experiences in

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which they have a profound sense of

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surviving death there are now thousands

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of children who have been investigated

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by first-rate people like Blake ducky

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and Stevenson at the University of

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Virginia kids who between the ages of 6

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& 9 begin to talk about a previous life

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which when it's investigated seems to

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bear bear' evidence for and so I think

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there are little tags and twists that we

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can point to that suggest that we're not

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deceiving ourselves when we bring up

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this idea of non-local immortal

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consciousness I think is a very real

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possibility that that we've ignored for

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too long but but let me ask you this if

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consciousness doesn't die yeah and what

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is a near-death experience why would you

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have a near-death experience if

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consciousness doesn't die well I

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emphasize that with a word near none of

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these people who come back aren't

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actually dead they are resuscitated in

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coronary care units and so on I don't

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know the answer to that I don't know why

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the world is so constructed these people

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would experience it's like this maybe

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there's some cosmic menacing trickster

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that's deceiving people when they come

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back with the experiences like this but

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I think it's it's becoming increasingly

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difficult to eat

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or the avalanche of people who have

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these experiences 15 million it's not a

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small number and it's about five percent

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of the American population I think these

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people should be taken seriously and and

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what what are people the various

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religions to think of this let's just

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start with Christians who believe that

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if you're good you go to heaven if

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you're bad you go to hell and so forth

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how does a Christian reconcile their

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beliefs with this one mind theory well I

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think with great difficulty for example

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most Christians believe in a hellish

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eternal damnation type of scenario for

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people who weren't very good on this

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side you don't see that in people who

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have had near-death experiences that

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these horrible scenarios just are

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extremely rare I had an opportunity to

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talk to the leader of this investigative

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effort Aki and Stevenson about whether

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or not people come back with these

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horrible experiences and he said we

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don't see that so I I'm saying that

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there may be some considerable revisions

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that are in store for some of the

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leading religions of the day here and I

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think that would not be a bad thing but

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that's what Christians say the reason

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that you have to be good to other people

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otherwise you're gonna go to hell so if

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there's no hell than our people not

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going to be good to each other anymore

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yeah well I would debate that I think

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one of the reasons that people can find

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to be kind and compassionate empathic

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with other people is that they're

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connected with them and I think that's a

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more powerful potential motivator for

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goodness for good behavior on this side

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then threats of damnation in hell yeah

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well for all one then that certainly is

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a reason I also would posit that the

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golden rule provides that to be good to

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others treat others as you would want

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them do to you I guess then it begs the

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question well why why why treat others

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as you would want to

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treated and I think that there's an

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evolutionary explanation for that that

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through evolving people realize that hey

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wait a minute if I only act in my naked

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self self-interest that doesn't work

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very well

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Society works better if we all get along

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and we work together and that we've

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realized that through evolution that you

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know if people were only acting in their

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naked self-interest that we would

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destroy ourselves so the golden rule has

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come about and people do treat the

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concepts of love and and caring for

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others has developed through natural

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evolution yes well I think the argument

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is good as far as it goes but I think

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it's sort of fizzle out in terms of its

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evolutionary value for example I believe

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that if people had some sense of unity

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and connectedness with other life-forms

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on the planet we would not be in the

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position we're in these days of the

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problems that we just can't run away

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from such as species decline such as

552
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:49,740
climate catastrophe such as the

553
00:25:56,660 --> 00:25:53,880
declining population of mammals across

554
00:26:02,360 --> 00:25:56,670
the play I would argue that the golden

555
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:02,370
rule has not done us a favor but how do

556
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,290
you explain all of these people in

557
00:26:09,140 --> 00:26:07,320
groups that do want to protect these

558
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:09,150
animals and all the measures that are in

559
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:10,980
place you know there's been a lot of

560
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:13,320
species that almost went extinct and

561
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,570
then we've saved them and man got

562
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:17,700
together and saved them I mean why did

563
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:19,850
man do that well I think that that's

564
00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:22,440
good as far as it goes but I think

565
00:26:27,260 --> 00:26:25,350
that's a scenario for the survival of

566
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:27,270
life on this planet is not as rosy as

567
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,960
you might believe I think that if we had

568
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:32,580
carried the golden rule to it's

569
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:34,710
conceivable limits that we wouldn't be

570
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:39,690
in better shape than where I am just

571
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:41,970
from a medical standpoint we are looking

572
00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:43,080
at

573
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:45,700
predictable disasters for the way we

574
00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:48,970
have managed mismanaged the climate with

575
00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:51,040
increasing tropical diseases that are

576
00:26:56,940 --> 00:26:53,500
creeping up the United States borders I

577
00:27:00,780 --> 00:26:56,950
would argue that that we could have done

578
00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:00,790
a lot better if we had had a greater

579
00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:02,740
sense of responsibility not just to

580
00:27:09,270 --> 00:27:05,830
other people but for all of sentient

581
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:09,280
life and I think that we're paying a

582
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:11,650
price for that now because we haven't

583
00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:13,390
cared the golden rule is far as it could

584
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:15,670
go and I would argue that a sense of

585
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:17,890
oneness and identity with other living

586
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:22,090
things it's potentially a much more

587
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:24,100
effective way preserving life on this

588
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:27,840
planet including saving our own butts

589
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:32,980
you have an identical twin I do

590
00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:35,050
tell me about that and what you've

591
00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:40,180
learned from from that well I became

592
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:43,000
interested in twin stuff which is what

593
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:44,820
my brother and I used to call these

594
00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:47,590
experiences we had as identical twins

595
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:50,230
growing up a few years ago when people

596
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:51,730
began to talk about something called

597
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:54,430
telescope Mattie experiences between

598
00:28:02,480 --> 00:27:58,240
identical not all twins experience it's

599
00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:02,490
about 20 or 30% identical twins have

600
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:05,800
experiences that are identical even

601
00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:08,550
though they're far apart they can help

602
00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:12,760
physical symptoms that occur

603
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:15,280
simultaneously although they are not in

604
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:17,380
sensory contact my brother and I used to

605
00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:18,600
have these things all of the time

606
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:22,060
growing up we didn't we didn't know that

607
00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:23,260
there was anything heretical or

608
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:25,720
blasphemous about this we didn't know we

609
00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:27,490
weren't supposed to have those things

610
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:30,520
and we just called it twins stuff now

611
00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:36,330
there are books detailing these strange

612
00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:39,820
occurrences in detail for example one

613
00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:42,190
example that I write about our twin

614
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:44,380
girls four years old four year old twin

615
00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:47,290
girls in Spain who several kilometres

616
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,590
apart had an identical phenomenon when

617
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:52,720
one touched a red-hot iron and erupted

618
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:54,900
and a second-degree burn the other

619
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,770
several kilometers of

620
00:29:01,740 --> 00:28:59,200
a erupted in the second degree burn on

621
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:01,750
the same hand on the same pattern this

622
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:05,650
is one of the strange events which are

623
00:29:10,530 --> 00:29:08,290
not uncommon in twins and which by the

624
00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:10,540
way offer indirect evidence see we're

625
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:13,420
all connected in some strange way via

626
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:15,900
consciousness and you see this

627
00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:19,740
dramatically in twins not just in twins

628
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:22,390
the common denominator is people who

629
00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:25,890
were closely intimately related

630
00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:29,800
emotionally lovers parents and children

631
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:32,560
and so on frequently have these

632
00:29:38,660 --> 00:29:36,090
experiences and they're just

633
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:38,670
mind-boggling there's no waste

634
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:40,890
physically that you can deposit

635
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:42,990
transmission of any kind of signal

636
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:47,890
between one or the other so this is one

637
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,980
of the jaw-dropping experiences that

638
00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:52,240
I've personally been involved with

639
00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:55,270
suggesting that we're we related to via

640
00:30:01,230 --> 00:29:57,400
consciousness what it what have you had

641
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:01,240
with your own brother bruises injuries

642
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:03,610
that occur at the same time in the same

643
00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:09,370
place I don't mention thoughts we we

644
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:10,840
have a way of reading your other's minds

645
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:12,730
but this could just be psychology you

646
00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:15,790
know creaking creeping it out into

647
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:17,980
public this way but for me the physical

648
00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:19,810
symptoms that have been recorded many

649
00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:22,600
many times in books such as twin

650
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:25,030
telepathy buy-guy play fair and people

651
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:27,460
want to look at some literary source

652
00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:29,950
that goes into these things I'll tell

653
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:32,680
you it's mind-boggling it's it puts this

654
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:36,520
idea a connecting link that defies

655
00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:39,910
spatial separation right in your face I

656
00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:43,630
don't know how to explain this I think

657
00:30:48,090 --> 00:30:45,790
there is no explanation except deposited

658
00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:48,100
there is some non-local connection

659
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:52,270
between us that just shakes its fist and

660
00:31:02,220 --> 00:30:57,570
in temporal and spatial dislocations so

661
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,230
because one mind extend to life beyond

662
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:05,440
Earth what we haven't tested that yet

663
00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:07,230
have we

664
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:09,280
well there seems to be a lot of things

665
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:10,600
buzzing around in the air that

666
00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:13,480
days Edgar Mitchell who was the sixth

667
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:16,539
man to walk on the moon did an

668
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:20,140
experiment on his return from the moon

669
00:31:25,409 --> 00:31:23,530
he had a Confederate eye in some city in

670
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,419
the United States where he did a

671
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:28,080
telephony experiment and the guy in the

672
00:31:37,169 --> 00:31:32,580
earth several thousand miles away

673
00:31:39,450 --> 00:31:37,179
Mitchell being in outer space the

674
00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:39,460
individuals that he was conveying the

675
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,669
message to got the message in detail as

676
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,159
far as I know this is the only

677
00:31:49,649 --> 00:31:46,000
experiment that's ever been attempted

678
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:49,659
from outer space then it was positive it

679
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,490
was positive well yeah what was the

680
00:31:57,149 --> 00:31:54,640
experiment do you remember it was at the

681
00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:57,159
conveying of some complex message I'm

682
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:00,610
not sure what it was he I think he goes

683
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:03,010
into this in some detail and his book

684
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:05,350
about his experience is called the way

685
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:08,289
of the Explorer listening why would he

686
00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:09,850
choose sorry why would he choose to do

687
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:11,320
that from the moon it seems like a hard

688
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:13,150
enough thing to do in the same room let

689
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:14,740
alone doing it from the moon what was he

690
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:16,830
thinking that perhaps if some way maybe

691
00:32:24,930 --> 00:32:20,559
easier being out in space I think he

692
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:24,940
wanted to see if space and special

693
00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:29,260
separation could inhibit this this

694
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:32,740
signal or not he was a very

695
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:35,940
contemplative man about paranormal

696
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:38,559
events you may know that when he got

697
00:32:46,919 --> 00:32:43,710
back to earth he was so convinced about

698
00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:46,929
the unitary aspects of consciousness

699
00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:49,780
that he had established the Institute of

700
00:32:58,289 --> 00:32:54,990
noetic Sciences which is alive and well

701
00:33:00,480 --> 00:32:58,299
still pursuing these sorts of events and

702
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:00,490
so he was just a curious fellow about

703
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:03,130
how consciousness worked so we did a

704
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:05,830
great interview with anusha ansari who

705
00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:08,799
was the first female tourist in space

706
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:12,760
first muslim woman in space and she did

707
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:14,110
speak about something that i know you

708
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:17,080
write about which is that people

709
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:20,440
returning from space seemed to have a

710
00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:24,430
different view about life on Earth

711
00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:28,060
and seem to view us all as one when you

712
00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:30,300
view the earth from a distance like that

713
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:35,020
the borders disappear and you look at

714
00:33:42,390 --> 00:33:39,610
earth as your home not your city as your

715
00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:42,400
home well that's certainly true this has

716
00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:44,790
been called the overview effect by

717
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:48,700
several astronauts and actually it isn't

718
00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:51,250
limited to American astronauts Russian

719
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:53,980
cosmonauts have described precisely the

720
00:33:58,980 --> 00:33:57,250
same sensation from outer space looking

721
00:34:02,420 --> 00:33:58,990
toward the earth where you can't see any

722
00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:02,430
boundaries between nations I think the

723
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:06,060
only man-made objects that is even

724
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:10,030
remotely visible from the moon is the

725
00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:11,290
Great Wall of China

726
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:17,140
in places but otherwise this little blue

727
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:18,810
dot doesn't seem to have many

728
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:20,080
separations

729
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:22,330
yeah well it's getting cheaper and

730
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,010
cheaper to go into space I think she

731
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:26,399
paid a couple hundred thousand dollars

732
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:29,800
but it's getting down to I think for

733
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:32,500
twenty thousand dollars now I think that

734
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:36,159
you can go into low orbit through I

735
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:39,250
think it's Virgin Galactic so maybe has

736
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:42,330
more people as more people do that maybe

737
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:46,780
your your belief will will grow well it

738
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:48,250
might you sound like you're interested

739
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:50,890
in going out into space yourself I would

740
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:52,990
I need the price to come down a little

741
00:34:59,780 --> 00:34:55,870
bit further but when I can buy it on

742
00:35:04,860 --> 00:34:59,790
Expedia and earn and earn points I

743
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:04,870
definitely now for that what about one

744
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:07,510
mind when it comes to animals are

745
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:10,390
animals do you believe that all humans

746
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:13,330
are of one mind is that unique to humans

747
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:15,790
and humans have one mind and dogs have

748
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:18,690
another or is it all lumped together

749
00:35:25,230 --> 00:35:22,540
well I think animals certainly have

750
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:25,240
something that looks like one line if

751
00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:27,430
you look at the behavior of flocks of

752
00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:29,620
birds and schools of fish and herds of

753
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:32,440
animals what you see is simultaneous

754
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:35,350
behavior involving sometimes thousands

755
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:38,020
of specimens that is very very difficult

756
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:40,690
to explain in any other way than some

757
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:41,980
sort of collective consciousness

758
00:35:46,530 --> 00:35:45,130
involving the whole group the person who

759
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:46,540
would study this most carefully I

760
00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:48,430
suppose is Sir Rupert childerik a

761
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:52,900
biologist in England who has videoed

762
00:36:00,360 --> 00:35:56,710
dogs whose owners are returning from a

763
00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:00,370
great distance when they began to return

764
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:00,880
home

765
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:04,810
the dogs seemed to perk up they seemed

766
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:10,000
more attentive and this has been written

767
00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:12,730
up in great detail by childerik and I

768
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:15,400
think it's a good starting point of

769
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:16,990
looking at commonalities of

770
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,110
consciousness in animals and humans you

771
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:22,960
know you see also expressions of

772
00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:24,370
behavior and animals that would be

773
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:27,430
difficult to explain in any other way I

774
00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:29,980
think what I've written about is how

775
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:34,180
animals sometimes rescue humans they

776
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:37,270
rescue other animals what you see is

777
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,890
this rescuing behavior and every

778
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:41,200
possible combination and I think

779
00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:43,000
probably this is an indirect evidence

780
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:44,860
that when we share a consciousness with

781
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,110
animals well it seems that birds and

782
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:51,760
fish I mean there's I don't know what is

783
00:36:56,970 --> 00:36:54,310
it sonic waves that that's perhaps

784
00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:56,980
whales are picking up in water and and

785
00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:58,990
birds are picking up certain frequencies

786
00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:01,540
as if I mean dogs here are things that

787
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:04,590
we don't hear so it seems that there's

788
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:06,850
frequencies out there energies I know

789
00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:09,100
how you would describe it that animals

790
00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:11,590
pick up that that humans don't yeah I

791
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:13,960
think that's right in certain situations

792
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:17,170
however people have looked at the

793
00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:20,590
ability of sonic waves and

794
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:22,780
electromagnetic transmissions to explain

795
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:25,870
this simultaneous behavior and now he's

796
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:28,750
flocks of birds and and schools of fish

797
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:32,250
and it's really difficult to explain how

798
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:37,260
these distant biological entities can

799
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:40,750
respond simultaneously by just

800
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:43,570
postulating an electromagnetic

801
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:45,970
transmission this has been a hot topic

802
00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:48,880
in years past and ethologist who study

803
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:51,100
animal behavior and I'm not saying that

804
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:51,760
history's

805
00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:54,460
but I think there's room to consider

806
00:38:00,720 --> 00:37:56,680
putting a one-line phenomenon on the

807
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:00,730
table so people attempt to explain it

808
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:03,310
through known science you're saying that

809
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:05,020
you don't think it's completely

810
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:08,260
explained by known science well to the

811
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:10,930
extent that I'm sorry go ahead yeah well

812
00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:14,490
so I was just gonna ask is one mind

813
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:19,240
science well it's a it's only competes

814
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,410
with similar science in other areas for

815
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,560
example this idea of non-local mind is

816
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:28,720
not a phenomenon that's limited to

817
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:32,470
people who have these discs simultaneous

818
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:35,980
experiences nonlocality is a concept

819
00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:39,310
which arose in physics fundamental

820
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:41,980
particle physics and people have heard

821
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:43,690
of things like Bell's Theorem which

822
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:46,810
shows that a two electrons are in

823
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:50,470
contact and then you separate them even

824
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,030
theoretically to the ends of the

825
00:38:57,329 --> 00:38:54,880
universe and you change one the other

826
00:39:02,190 --> 00:38:57,339
changes instantly and to the same degree

827
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:02,200
now nobody knows how that works so it is

828
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:03,430
true that we don't know how these

829
00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:05,740
non-local consciousness mediated

830
00:39:09,569 --> 00:39:07,720
experiences work in humanity

831
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:09,579
but I have to say we shouldn't be too

832
00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:12,250
hard on human experiments because the

833
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:15,990
physicists who represent the most

834
00:39:21,329 --> 00:39:18,760
accurate science that has ever been

835
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,339
invented by people they are also at a

836
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:23,920
loss to explain how non-local events

837
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:28,329
occur in particle physics so if it's

838
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:31,690
unknown how this happens among

839
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:34,810
physicists I think it's okay for us to

840
00:39:40,690 --> 00:39:39,530
sort of give ourselves permission

841
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:40,700
just say wait a minute we don't

842
00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:42,590
understand how this works but maybe we

843
00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:45,140
will in the future and what is your

844
00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:47,480
theory about it is your theory that

845
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:49,820
ultimately there will be a scientific

846
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:52,520
explanation for this and we just don't

847
00:39:59,260 --> 00:39:55,250
know it yet or that this is beyond

848
00:40:00,910 --> 00:39:59,270
science this is spirituality well I

849
00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:00,920
don't know the answer to that I think

850
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:04,700
that we're we're at school and our

851
00:40:09,070 --> 00:40:07,550
ability to understand how space and time

852
00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:09,080
operate and I think that there are

853
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:12,440
mysteries about house spatial separation

854
00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:15,530
can actually be understood I think it's

855
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:17,480
safe to say now that we're deceived by

856
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:20,510
spatial separation things can be united

857
00:40:23,470 --> 00:40:22,130
even though they're at a distance this

858
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,480
is the heart of the message of

859
00:40:28,690 --> 00:40:26,240
nonlocality and physics so whether or

860
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:28,700
not we will come to a rational logical

861
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:32,510
explanation I don't know maybe we're

862
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:34,250
going to have to change what the meaning

863
00:40:41,290 --> 00:40:38,810
of logic actually is but it's certainly

864
00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:41,300
wonderful to be alive and contemplating

865
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:44,440
these things now and I'm not at all

866
00:40:52,930 --> 00:40:49,610
disheartened by what we understand in

867
00:40:55,150 --> 00:40:52,940
future I think err err imperative now is

868
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,160
to go with the evidence not to discard

869
00:41:00,520 --> 00:40:56,960
evidence because it doesn't fit with

870
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:00,530
their theories but to actually honor the

871
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,330
evidence and try to reason how these

872
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:04,720
things could be true how about

873
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:06,680
premonitions what would be the

874
00:41:11,110 --> 00:41:09,500
explanation for this because I know you

875
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:11,120
I know you believe in those pretty

876
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:12,770
strongly right yeah people can

877
00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:14,450
understand what's going to happen in the

878
00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:16,700
future they can have premonitions about

879
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:21,380
what's happening at a distance but a lot

880
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:26,050
of times they're wrong yes that's right

881
00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:30,430
error rate in premonitions premonitions

882
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:32,870
comes from the word pre in mul nari

883
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:36,110
which means a forewarning which suggests

884
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:40,250
a lot of these things happen before word

885
00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:42,710
horrible things happen to us we see bad

886
00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:48,230
stuff coming and you invoke see the

887
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:51,260
evolutionary advantage of this sort of

888
00:41:55,579 --> 00:41:53,369
thing and I think

889
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:55,589
you can understand premonitions in the

890
00:41:58,969 --> 00:41:57,210
same sense I think there's a huge

891
00:42:02,239 --> 00:41:58,979
evolutionary advantage to people who

892
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:02,249
could see disasters the lion and the

893
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:04,859
bush that sort of thing that made do you

894
00:42:11,329 --> 00:42:08,339
and it would be evolutionarily helpful

895
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:11,339
to know about an ending danger before it

896
00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:13,650
happened so I think this is a good case

897
00:42:19,279 --> 00:42:15,779
to be made that premonitions fit and

898
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:19,289
evolutionary model but as far as

899
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,150
scientific explanations for it not

900
00:42:29,059 --> 00:42:22,880
nothing yet huh

901
00:42:32,269 --> 00:42:29,069
non-local 9 non-local mind mind that is

902
00:42:34,729 --> 00:42:32,279
not confined to specific points in space

903
00:42:38,059 --> 00:42:34,739
and certainly indication through nations

904
00:42:41,209 --> 00:42:38,069
not confined to specific points in time

905
00:42:42,799 --> 00:42:41,219
either so mine can be non-local in one

906
00:42:46,459 --> 00:42:42,809
of two ways it could be down local in

907
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:46,469
space or time or both I think that's the

908
00:42:51,019 --> 00:42:48,900
model that we're headed toward not all

909
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:51,029
the way around it and and in your view

910
00:42:56,989 --> 00:42:53,339
as we said the mind survives the death

911
00:43:01,549 --> 00:42:56,999
of the body yeah I think that's the the

912
00:43:04,299 --> 00:43:01,559
ultimate payoff here I think that that's

913
00:43:08,769 --> 00:43:04,309
a lesson which fits a spiritual

914
00:43:10,969 --> 00:43:08,779
connotation but also it's borne out in

915
00:43:13,459 --> 00:43:10,979
stories that people with non-local

916
00:43:15,289 --> 00:43:13,469
experiences in the near-death area and

917
00:43:18,499 --> 00:43:15,299
children who remember past lives and so

918
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,509
on so I don't think it's a stretch to

919
00:43:23,029 --> 00:43:20,880
say that immortality comes out of the

920
00:43:27,049 --> 00:43:23,039
idea of non-local mind I think it fits

921
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:27,059
with it and what do you say about the

922
00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:32,579
existence of God God God well I think

923
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:35,789
you know my way of my favorite

924
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:38,430
terminology has to do with the universal

925
00:43:43,279 --> 00:43:41,369
mind Universal wisdom it cost me

926
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,289
consciousness something of that sort I

927
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:45,359
grew up like a lot of people in the

928
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,910
United States with the idea of a bearded

929
00:43:53,209 --> 00:43:49,680
character in a long flowing robe that

930
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:53,219
just doesn't work for me anymore but I I

931
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:55,529
think there is a great Universal wisdom

932
00:44:00,979 --> 00:43:57,690
that we may not be able to comprehend

933
00:44:04,219 --> 00:44:00,989
that what of all this stuff including

934
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:04,229
the cosmos than universes at large I

935
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:05,849
don't think it's an accident

936
00:44:14,029 --> 00:44:11,339
so there's a there's a creator yeah I

937
00:44:16,579 --> 00:44:14,039
think it probably there was probably a

938
00:44:19,789 --> 00:44:16,589
beginning and I think that fits with the

939
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:19,799
concept of the creator but what that

940
00:44:29,029 --> 00:44:26,640
creator is up to now no idea home yeah I

941
00:44:31,699 --> 00:44:29,039
think the universe is benevolent I think

942
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:31,709
that's what the Creator is up to I think

943
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:34,609
we have a sense of this and people who

944
00:44:42,739 --> 00:44:40,619
experience near-death phenomenon most of

945
00:44:45,859 --> 00:44:42,749
them return and say that that was the

946
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,869
most transformative joyful experience

947
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:48,119
that they have not only had in their

948
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,609
life but that they could conceive so I I

949
00:44:58,339 --> 00:44:56,880
don't brush these off it's fantasies

950
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,349
there are hallucinations at all I think

951
00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:00,839
they're probably a valid insight to the

952
00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:03,390
way the universe works so what changes

953
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:05,819
would you like to see when it comes to

954
00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:10,410
science as far as teaching you know med

955
00:45:17,509 --> 00:45:14,339
schools for instance insider oh yeah I

956
00:45:19,999 --> 00:45:17,519
would like to see this body of evidence

957
00:45:24,049 --> 00:45:20,009
that you and I have been talking about

958
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:24,059
here put on the menu the curriculum and

959
00:45:29,509 --> 00:45:27,420
our medical schools and Eric colleges

960
00:45:31,279 --> 00:45:29,519
and universities you know most kids go

961
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:31,289
through college and university even

962
00:45:35,959 --> 00:45:32,940
medical school and coming out with a

963
00:45:41,749 --> 00:45:35,969
very materialistic view of how things

964
00:45:43,999 --> 00:45:41,759
work they are often on taught that if

965
00:45:47,479 --> 00:45:44,009
you go beyond materialism you're just on

966
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,489
thin ice I would like to see this kind

967
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:49,380
of information these kinds of

968
00:45:55,459 --> 00:45:50,579
experiments and you and I have been

969
00:45:57,259 --> 00:45:55,469
talking about made part of the menu so I

970
00:46:00,439 --> 00:45:57,269
would just say what we need to do is

971
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,449
just to do good science I don't think we

972
00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:01,920
need to get involved in religion or

973
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:03,390
spirituality at the University in

974
00:46:09,979 --> 00:46:06,420
college level but I just think that it

975
00:46:11,809 --> 00:46:09,989
would be sufficient now to put this sort

976
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:11,819
of information in the curriculum and

977
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:14,130
just see where it goes we're making

978
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:16,859
progress in medical schools back in 1993

979
00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:19,320
when I got involved in this business

980
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:21,590
there were only three of the nation's

981
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:25,200
140 medical schools that had any

982
00:46:30,350 --> 00:46:27,300
coursework looking at the source stuff

983
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,360
were battalion about now the vast

984
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:31,920
majority of medical schools in the

985
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:34,170
United States look at the connections

986
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:36,030
between religious and spiritual practice

987
00:46:42,110 --> 00:46:38,700
and the health outcomes that is a huge

988
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:42,120
advance I think this will continue

989
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:43,740
because there's an increasing

990
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:47,310
recognition that people who follow some

991
00:46:51,590 --> 00:46:48,870
sort of spiritual path which usually

992
00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:51,600
involves this one mind idea that we can

993
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:54,270
talk about they live longer and they

994
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:56,010
have a lower incidence of all the major

995
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,570
diseases you want to look at including

996
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:00,000
heart disease and cancer so there's a

997
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:02,600
real practical payoff of benefit

998
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:05,940
health-wise for addressing these sorts

999
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:08,130
of ideas so I would just say do good

1000
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,930
science you know go where the evidence

1001
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:11,040
leads us

1002
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:13,710
I'd be happy we just did that what about

1003
00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:16,260
phonies and charlatans out there do they

1004
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:20,790
concern you you bet they're not on guard

1005
00:47:27,590 --> 00:47:24,690
against that well I think the same

1006
00:47:29,330 --> 00:47:27,600
approach good science I mean if they

1007
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:29,340
have evidence that all of this stuff

1008
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:30,630
without bail is phony

1009
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:35,400
let's hear it but I'm convinced to this

1010
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:37,650
the the skeptics and the phonies and the

1011
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:40,470
charlatans are not all on the side of

1012
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:44,010
spirituality a lot of them masquerade is

1013
00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:47,880
skeptical scientists actually I have a I

1014
00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:52,280
have a terrible habit I call I collect

1015
00:47:57,860 --> 00:47:54,870
comments that I think are reprehensible

1016
00:47:59,600 --> 00:47:57,870
from scientists the one that is my

1017
00:48:01,310 --> 00:47:59,610
all-time favorite is the scientist he

1018
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:01,320
was looking at this sort of information

1019
00:48:05,090 --> 00:48:03,510
would be talked about he said this is

1020
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:05,100
the sort of thing I wouldn't believe

1021
00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:09,690
even if it were true now these comments

1022
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:13,320
are said you know as a point of pride I

1023
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:15,930
think they're an embarrassment to these

1024
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:18,900
true scientific tradition which is prove

1025
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,690
it let's see the evidence

1026
00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:22,980
open-mindedness that's what I'm in favor

1027
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:26,100
of and more scientific studies you you

1028
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:27,720
embrace the idea of having scientific

1029
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:30,570
studies into this idea totally

1030
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:32,570
absolutely

1031
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,910
and and and who's doing those right now

1032
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:37,520
where the leaders doing either these

1033
00:48:42,670 --> 00:48:39,740
happening at universities and med

1034
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:42,680
schools well the first step has been to

1035
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:45,140
honor the evidence that's been adduced

1036
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:47,510
so far and as I mentioned the majority

1037
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:49,460
of medical schools now are doing that

1038
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:53,810
the connections between spiritual and

1039
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:55,910
religious practice in health now a

1040
00:49:02,050 --> 00:48:58,010
number and the thousands these studies

1041
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:02,060
is being done everywhere there are

1042
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:05,240
certain non-academic settings like this

1043
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:07,550
to do attic scientists scientists which

1044
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:10,120
has been at the forefront of this for

1045
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:13,490
gosh almost 30 years

1046
00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:16,820
the Princeton engineering anomalies

1047
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,870
Research Laboratory recently shut down

1048
00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:22,880
after about 30 years of doing their

1049
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:28,940
stuff and so you see these little bits

1050
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:31,490
and pieces in the culture that are CUNY

1051
00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:34,430
into this sort of thing but we still got

1052
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:36,080
a long way to go particularly in

1053
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:37,640
medicine I think you're seeing one of

1054
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:40,070
the most robust efforts to come trying

1055
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:41,540
to come to grips with this stuff because

1056
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:45,650
of the health implications well in a

1057
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:47,420
country that certainly appears more

1058
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:50,930
divided and it's being in perhaps our

1059
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:53,330
lifetimes I don't know if you agree with

1060
00:49:57,970 --> 00:49:54,950
that you look to be a touch older than

1061
00:50:00,490 --> 00:49:57,980
me but not watch the idea of one mind

1062
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:00,500
certainly seems to be a good thing for

1063
00:50:07,090 --> 00:50:02,750
people to be embracing today right well

1064
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:07,100
that's my opinion I mean I that's

1065
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:09,800
actually my lifework trying to promote

1066
00:50:15,370 --> 00:50:13,040
the idea from a scientific point of view

1067
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:15,380
you know people want to join in from the

1068
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,140
spiritual side I'm glad to have them but

1069
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:21,200
I think that story will be told whether

1070
00:50:25,930 --> 00:50:23,690
or not the experiments point in this

1071
00:50:29,890 --> 00:50:25,940
direction or not but are we are we

1072
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:29,900
making progress or we regressing in

1073
00:50:36,010 --> 00:50:32,510
heading toward one mindedness in your

1074
00:50:38,290 --> 00:50:36,020
view well it's sort of hard to tell I

1075
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:38,300
asked this question of David bone wants

1076
00:50:41,770 --> 00:50:40,220
one of the world's great physicists

1077
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:41,780
while he was still alive

1078
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:44,570
I asked him Professor boney

1079
00:50:48,990 --> 00:50:46,620
do you think we're going to make it

1080
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,000
at that time I was concerned about the

1081
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:50,800
environmental degradation and where we

1082
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:55,810
were headed and he he sort of ferdy's

1083
00:51:03,780 --> 00:50:58,090
brow and thought and finally he said

1084
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:03,790
Larry will make it barely I think that

1085
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:06,790
pretty much represents my attitude I do

1086
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:09,070
not think that time is on our side I

1087
00:51:14,330 --> 00:51:11,230
think there are pockets of awareness

1088
00:51:17,070 --> 00:51:14,340
about the nature of consciousness that

1089
00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:17,080
exists on the earth that sort of Dwarfs

1090
00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:19,000
where we stand in the United States

1091
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:22,870
currently I hope that that changes and

1092
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:26,050
I'm confident that it will but I think

1093
00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:27,910
it would be a closer on thing and I

1094
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:32,200
think is there any culture out there in

1095
00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:34,150
the world that you feel is closest to

1096
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:37,480
this you know this may sound

1097
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:39,250
contradictory but I think that there are

1098
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:42,250
pockets in the United States that are

1099
00:51:46,050 --> 00:51:44,410
closer through this awareness than

1100
00:51:48,780 --> 00:51:46,060
anywhere else in the world and this is

1101
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:48,790
one reason that I'm not confident to do

1102
00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:53,110
my work in America now our hope is that

1103
00:52:00,210 --> 00:51:57,030
this spreads and will catch on and the

1104
00:52:01,650 --> 00:52:00,220
academic community at large but I don't

1105
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:01,660
think that there's any place in the

1106
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:04,090
world that can compete with the research

1107
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:05,890
evidence that comes out of certain

1108
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:09,430
elements in this culture and that's why

1109
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:13,110
I'm proud to call myself in America hmm

1110
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:16,510
and where is the pocket is it in Santa

1111
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:23,680
Fe well this is where you are Santa Fe

1112
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:25,890
is a an interesting place let me just

1113
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:31,470
leave it like that there are places that

1114
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,420
building stones work which is as an

1115
00:52:38,820 --> 00:52:36,720
independent it's been replicated at

1116
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:38,830
academic centers around the country

1117
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:41,590
ion's institute of noetic sciences it's

1118
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:44,230
early on the mouth there there are many

1119
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:48,340
other areas in medicine that are

1120
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:50,140
affiliated with medical schools that

1121
00:52:55,460 --> 00:52:53,340
while carrying this work forward so

1122
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:55,470
actually there

1123
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:58,020
many to name but they're out there doing

1124
00:53:02,839 --> 00:53:01,980
good work often silently and under the

1125
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,849
radar

1126
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:05,760
but that's not to say that they're not

1127
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,960
for nothing they they really are I think

1128
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,700
making a tremendous contributions about

1129
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:14,160
where we will eventually wind up I was

1130
00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:15,480
expecting you to say something like the

1131
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:18,030
the Buddhists humidities are more

1132
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:19,740
advanced in this type of thinking I mean

1133
00:53:24,260 --> 00:53:21,720
is there a community in that regard that

1134
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:24,270
you feel embraces this more than others

1135
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:26,609
well the the Dalai Lama has been famous

1136
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,750
for advocating a an experimental

1137
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:32,940
approach to spirituality he was asked

1138
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,700
once if we got to the point where the

1139
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:37,920
experiments bumped up against Buddhism

1140
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:39,630
which way would he go

1141
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:42,540
and he said well dude ISM usually have

1142
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:46,020
ways of sort of going with an

1143
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:50,480
experimental flow so Buddhism I think is

1144
00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:55,800
on board although not by way of doing

1145
00:54:00,829 --> 00:53:57,660
experiments themselves it's more of a